As I said I won't deal in hypotheticals. That could certainly be the case but it could also not be. Are you printing money from nowhere? Is that printing being done in a tremendous volume? If either or both of those is yes then I think it's pretty fair to say we'd be pretty displeased.

doesn't really make sense to me. they didn't report the exploit immediatly, they abused it for two weeks, then basicly took the work ccp did for FW and took a steamy dump on it in front of the entire player base. who knows how much this frustrated players or caused people to unsub. who's in charge here ccp? you or goons? my best guess a dev told em about the exploit and it wouldn't be the first time a dev has given someone in game a perk. (cough t2 bpos! for all my friends cough cough)

I'm discussing this exploit not any one of a number of hypothetical past or future exploits. (or non-exploits)

Yeah and what I'm trying to get at is that I didn't compare how we felt with handling this decision based on past decisions others might have made. We looked at the situation and did what we felt was the right thing for the game as a whole, so I'm not really prepared to discuss x vs. y because we didn't ever discuss it internally and these decisions aren't made solo.

I pitched a possible solution. We spent days theorycrafting a fix that preserves the system without making it gameable to a degree you are profiting on the conversion. You might still profit on the market manip, but not the conversion itself. This might be an acceptable solution to CCP, who knows. I hope they don't gut it though.

Hi Capsuleer Kern Hotha, you may have missed the bit where we pointed out that these are group decisions. I'm pleased you feel it necessary to question my integrity but unfortunately for you in this case your conspiratorial scenario has no grounding in reality.

Would it even be eligible for a Nobel Prize? The biggest difference between real world economics and eve economics is that in eve we pay for everything with the present value of ISK whereas the real world economy has a future value of money due to interest, compound interest, depreciating salvage value, etc since companies and individuals all borrow money from banks.

At least you're honest and frank that your motivating desire to see us get ****ed is because we're goons. More than many other posters in this thread can say

To draw a comparison (at least for any American players), many posters in this thread want to see "justice done" in the same way that Darrell Issa wants to see "justice done" for Fast & Furious

To me it's pretty easy to test whether something you want to try would be an exploit or not: Ask yourself, who has to "fall for" my plan in order for it to work? (By "work", I mean "generate income with essentially zero risk")

1. If it's other players, congrats you're doing market manipulation or a scam. These are both allowed and the former in particular is a cornerstone of sandbox gameplay.
2. If it's CCP, you're cheating.
3. If it's somehow "no-one", it might be cheating but might be something new.

Examples:
1. Hulkageddon and isotope supply interdiction
2. LP spiral due to item 'value' formula manipulation
3. Jet can mining (allowed mining yield per player per unit time to go higher than originally anticipated, but ultimately deemed allowed and also 'neat')

The insurance payout scheme IMHO is #2, even though it was never deemed as such.

Is there an example of #2 that's currently deemed legal? I'd love to shoot some holes in my own theory. Are there other examples that fit #3?

Clearly CCP hires exclusively from Goons and there's some extremely vague grand conspiracy which may involve aliens, butterscotch, a toaster, at least 17 deimos', and masking tape.

That graph was generated as part of the investigation.

And you will get everything back that was not generated using an exploit as Sreegs said. It doesn't change the fact that they are ignoring their own TOS to not ban you. Exploiting a game mechanic is a bannable offense. Then add the fact that Goons gloated about it and gave CCP a black eye.

I personally could give two ***** about Goons. Hell I used to root for you when you were taking down BOB. But lately it seems all you guys care about is doing as much financial damage to CCP and their game as possible.

CCP may establish Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct

going now :(

Says the guy whose integrity is in question. No conflict of interest there whatsoever.

That is a poor comparison.

I'm not a goon alt you tool. I am very very upset with this just as a lot of people are, it's now proven Goons have full reign to do what ever they want.

Yes we're trying to brush it under the carpet so much we made a dev blog about it. I really can't even address how much this is just UGH and this is the basis of every tinfoil situation I'm meant to deal with professionally. I have no words.

You could just, ya know, play the game the way it was intended to be played. The fact that boundaries can even be a topic is rather sad.

Still can't believe they introduced a system that rewarded you for killing other players in a game that's 70% alts.

Ok, some folks saw an exploitable condition about to be released, exploited for quite some time after release, manipulated an entire feature (FW), and as far as I can tell bragged about crashing the market for certain items.

I have received zero hate mails or convos.

I feel neglected :(

my question is still standing , CCP said in the dev blog it was a exploit and phuuleeeeze refrain from answering questions not asked in your direction goons and affiliates 8)

it is clear that under this circumstances your opinions are biased

the point was well judged that it was an exploit, ccp decides so and takes actions that make sense like revoking all ill gotten gains, but no punishment ? for a exploit ? i wanna hear from ccp sreegs why this absolutley inconclusive action was taken ( no to mention a snitch plex award, lol , as if someone could snitch himself)

all this looks a bit awkwardly constructed and not logically acted from step to step , the motivations from ccp are in question here

Uh...you realize that the graph is unlabeled, so you have no idea what the amounts on it are, right? And that we did this over several days, not just on one day, right? And that the 5 trillion was isk, not LP, right?

Don't bother - the hatred induced blindness is too strong in this one.

Well said. I remember this also. I looked it up and according to the MAssively site:

"At least one player who reported the exploit was banned for subsequently abusing the exploit in an effort to force CCP to take action."

How is this any different Sreegs? Seems the same to me except he wasn't a goon, and he was punished not rewarded.

dear troll i have read all the devblog and all ccp posts in this thread and no answer was give to my question at all

my question still stands: why were the exploiters not punished?

the only 2 arguments sreegs/ccp wise on this is :

1. because they snitched themselves at a point were we already saw that there was an exploit happening and we were investigating (thats not the wording but the meaning) - does this sound strange to anyone but me ?

2. because we felt this is best for the game - best ? wtf is best for the game here ? to show players can exploit and if the see posts from ccp that they are aware of something going on they go make a post and sack a bunch o plexes ? no sreegs this is in no way good for the game


both of these are not sufficient answers at all, if these are all ccp sreegs wants to give - hell yeah lets exploit the **** out of this game lol ? maybe eve has really reached a point where ccp doesnt give a **** about it anymore 8(

Because the players made efforts to inform us about the issue their accounts will remain in good standing.

18 days without a new dev blog!

"I don't like you so I hope you're barred from the game forever!").